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ghanimasun) wrote2011-09-24 10:16 pm
ghanimasun) wrote2011-09-24 10:16 pm
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doctor who rant
So it's only taken me a week to write and post this (thanks to the encouragement to write ranting from someone). There's no point other than the encouragement and the desire to rant I guess.
First of all, Amy believes in the Doctor? Still? That doesn't even make sense. Does she not remember the last episode - which is probably not that long ago for her in universe time - when he accidentally left her stranded for 36 years and then lied to the older version of her? I don't think Amy is so self centered that that wouldn't bother her, just because she personally got out relatively unscathed and not abandoned. Not to mention a few of the other obvious reasons that I think would dimmer Amy's faith in the doctor: leaving her behind and making her wait TWICE before she actually steps into the Tardis, and her getting kidnapped, him leaving her there, and her losing her baby.
Amy's faith in him seems misplaced and possibly out of character? I don't feel like there is enough evidence to support her faith in him, and the show doesn't even acknowledge that to give a reason anyway, it just ignores it.
So anyway, they were drawn to that place because of Amy's belief in the Doctor, and the monster feeds on faith? I think. So the Doctor has to break Amy's faith and belief in him and the monster will starve or something. I guess. So he just says they're all going to die and there's nothing he can do. Then he tells her she has to grow up and see him as he is. I can buy that, because her unwavering faith in him is really blind, and she does need to recognize that he's majorly fucked up her life. I can also see why he makes the decision to drop them off, because 11 has disappointed her so much; her greatest fear is him disappointing her (?) which he's done repeatedly. I took the "Amy Williams" comment as part of him trying to break her faith in him and piss her off. I don't know how to take it any other way. Because. While I don't remember Amy identifying herself as "Amy Pond" after she got married, other people do identify her like that, and she gives her daughter her last name, not her husbands name. So from this I think it's fair to interpret that her chosen name is "Amy Pond." By calling her "Amy Williams" the doctor is purposefully ignoring what she wants. He is telling her to be something, or someone she is not, which would probably break her faith in him a little more.
I do not accept that it was him telling her to 'grow up' and be an adult, by implying her taking her husbands name was a sign of her being an adult. Because that seems awfully insulting if it was. Her being married is not all that defines her (or rather - it shouldn't be!). Wanting to continue traveling with 11 is not a sign of her needing to grow up (though she definitely could use with looking at him more objectively than she has been).
Yes he saved them, and that was probably a good decision given what he's put them through. But he hasn't actually attempted to make it up to them yet, has he? I mean there is this whole missing infant baby that Amy gave birth to months ago. Yes they know she grows up to be relatively okay (though she's in prison for murder for a while, so that's possibly debatable?) so I guess that they can rest easily that they don't have to worry about her? But I dunno, that doesn't make sense to me. She was raised by people who stole her and brainwashed her apparently. One would think they might want to prevent that for their child? And then there's the idea that I've read that they will face the same decision Rory faced with older Amy in TGWW - do they take their baby and raise her differently which would result in erasing River as she is now, because she was raised differently? Though personally I doubt being raised by Amy and Rory would somehow make her less awesome as an adult? I mean, we're supposed to like A/R so it seems fair to imagine they'd be awesome parents. And River is on her possibly fourth regeneration? How does one really raise a child that can regenerate and be a different age when they've regenerated. The whole Mels growing up with them thing, is just so random and stupid and meaningless. Growing up with a peer who is secretly your child (that is not even completely human....because of magic) is not equivalent of raising a child.(haha, yes I say this with my total vast experience of child raising!)
So anyway, like I said, no point other than ranting. I saw the latest episode and I don't have much to say about it I guess. The finale next week looks to be, complicated to say the very least.
First of all, Amy believes in the Doctor? Still? That doesn't even make sense. Does she not remember the last episode - which is probably not that long ago for her in universe time - when he accidentally left her stranded for 36 years and then lied to the older version of her? I don't think Amy is so self centered that that wouldn't bother her, just because she personally got out relatively unscathed and not abandoned. Not to mention a few of the other obvious reasons that I think would dimmer Amy's faith in the doctor: leaving her behind and making her wait TWICE before she actually steps into the Tardis, and her getting kidnapped, him leaving her there, and her losing her baby.
Amy's faith in him seems misplaced and possibly out of character? I don't feel like there is enough evidence to support her faith in him, and the show doesn't even acknowledge that to give a reason anyway, it just ignores it.
So anyway, they were drawn to that place because of Amy's belief in the Doctor, and the monster feeds on faith? I think. So the Doctor has to break Amy's faith and belief in him and the monster will starve or something. I guess. So he just says they're all going to die and there's nothing he can do. Then he tells her she has to grow up and see him as he is. I can buy that, because her unwavering faith in him is really blind, and she does need to recognize that he's majorly fucked up her life. I can also see why he makes the decision to drop them off, because 11 has disappointed her so much; her greatest fear is him disappointing her (?) which he's done repeatedly. I took the "Amy Williams" comment as part of him trying to break her faith in him and piss her off. I don't know how to take it any other way. Because. While I don't remember Amy identifying herself as "Amy Pond" after she got married, other people do identify her like that, and she gives her daughter her last name, not her husbands name. So from this I think it's fair to interpret that her chosen name is "Amy Pond." By calling her "Amy Williams" the doctor is purposefully ignoring what she wants. He is telling her to be something, or someone she is not, which would probably break her faith in him a little more.
I do not accept that it was him telling her to 'grow up' and be an adult, by implying her taking her husbands name was a sign of her being an adult. Because that seems awfully insulting if it was. Her being married is not all that defines her (or rather - it shouldn't be!). Wanting to continue traveling with 11 is not a sign of her needing to grow up (though she definitely could use with looking at him more objectively than she has been).
Yes he saved them, and that was probably a good decision given what he's put them through. But he hasn't actually attempted to make it up to them yet, has he? I mean there is this whole missing infant baby that Amy gave birth to months ago. Yes they know she grows up to be relatively okay (though she's in prison for murder for a while, so that's possibly debatable?) so I guess that they can rest easily that they don't have to worry about her? But I dunno, that doesn't make sense to me. She was raised by people who stole her and brainwashed her apparently. One would think they might want to prevent that for their child? And then there's the idea that I've read that they will face the same decision Rory faced with older Amy in TGWW - do they take their baby and raise her differently which would result in erasing River as she is now, because she was raised differently? Though personally I doubt being raised by Amy and Rory would somehow make her less awesome as an adult? I mean, we're supposed to like A/R so it seems fair to imagine they'd be awesome parents. And River is on her possibly fourth regeneration? How does one really raise a child that can regenerate and be a different age when they've regenerated. The whole Mels growing up with them thing, is just so random and stupid and meaningless. Growing up with a peer who is secretly your child (that is not even completely human....because of magic) is not equivalent of raising a child.(haha, yes I say this with my total vast experience of child raising!)
So anyway, like I said, no point other than ranting. I saw the latest episode and I don't have much to say about it I guess. The finale next week looks to be, complicated to say the very least.
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Because, let's face it, in any adventure (read "episode"), the average companion is put in mortal danger not just once, but several times. And the only reason that half of them aren't dead is because, well, it's just not that kind of show. But the characters don't know that.
So what's left? Shuffle them away to a place the Doctor can't get to them; make it impossible for them to continue traveling with the Doctor for some reason; give them a greater responsibility; have them find their true love and leave to live happily ever after? Or leave them at the side of the road and say "Sorry. It's for your own good."? These have all been used as reasons for getting rid of companions and for the companions one likes, it's never very satisfying. (Of course, for the companions one dislikes, it wasn't soon enough.)
I'm not sure that was really responding to what you were saying, but, um, it's what popped into my head when you said it?
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Not sure if that's really a response to your comment, but I wasn't sure what you were referring to specifically :)
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I'm not really sure what I was referring to either, so let's just call it an interesting conversation regardless. Because if I can't read my own mind, I can see where trying to do so from the outside might be even more difficult!